Drugs

[Chris337]

One of the reasons I admire KJ so much was because of his past involvement with drugs (so I hear, and not sure on the specifics) and how he overcame it.
I started this thread so we could perhaps discuss drugs in a mature manner, something I wouldn't get on every forum.

First of all I want to see if there are any active or former drug users on here. I find they make for very interesting discussion because everyone has such different views on the subject.
Second of all, where do drugs fall within the bible? There are people here that know the bible much better than I, and can tell me whether or not the bible specifically has verses that speak against drugs.
Thirdly, If you do/did drugs, do they/did they affect your relationship with God in any way? I like to hear people's stories.

Personally I use alcohol once in a while, although I'm not the biggest fan. It's more of a social thing for me and I don't consider it to be a problem. I have a friend whose family is quite religious and I believe none of them drink alcohol.

My DOC, the one I use most often is weed. The summer has just ended and as long as I'm not working or going to school full time I won't go more than a few days without using. When I finished working in the summer I had 14 days before school started with no school or work. I probably used 11 of those days, just to give you an idea. Now that school starts again, I'm able to cut down to 1-2 days a week pretty easily, my only problem is the days I do smoke, I do so a lot. I don't consider it a bad addiction for me though, In fact I went about 2 and a half months without it at the start of 2009. However I admit that weed is a factor in my life and it wouldn't be the easiest thing I've ever done to quit. I'm starting my first year of university this year. My money situation is great, I don't find myself buying more weed than I can afford. My academic performance is good, so I don't see it as something that's destroying my life or anything like that.

Just would like to hear everyone's opinion!

[Resolution]

I can tell you a lot about drugs.....
Whas up?

[Resolution]

Please man, don't refer to weed as ''using''.
Ask any slammer if weed is ''using'' and honestly, there is no physical addiction to weed.
If you're addicted to weed, then you probably shouldn't smoke it. Or check it for dope lol.
I grew up in vegas, and I don't think weed is using at all.

''Abide by the law of the land''.
I know ^.
But that's such a debatable verse.

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.


God could have put it here for a reason in opposition to Xnannax? Prozac?
I'm not a dr. But i know people who smoke instead of take pills.
Old people especially.


Is it okay to smoke weed in CA by biblical standars?

[EKG]

I myself am not an expert on this topic, but I did find this while going through the commentary in my study bible. I think it was in Galatians where I read this, but I can't remember the exact verse, so bear with me. It was talking about those who commit sexual immorality, witchcraft, etc etc, would not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Turns out, the greek word used for witchcraft here in its original context also referred to the use of any mind-altering drug. Once again, I am no expert on this subject, and no God won't condemn you for the use of weed if you are truly saved (no sin will condemn you in you are truly saved...realize however I am not condoning sin, but merely pointing this fact out), but is it still a sin and wrong in God's sight? Yes, I feel this verse answered it clearly. Again, I'm sorry I can't remember the exact verse, I'll try to look it up.

[iPost]

^ what about drinking coffee? That sort of alters the mind, in a less drastic way...  Then what about prescription drugs that people need, those can be mind-altering as well.   Where do you draw the line between "drugs" and "medicine?"

Just food for thought...

[Resolution]

I'll be real with yallz..I smoke.

And honestly, It does help me a lot.
I have a typical cerabal paulse.
So I shake a lot, and my fine motor skills aren't to hot, but marijuana steadys my hand.
Is it a bad thing?


Marijuana doesn't make you impared unless you get out of hand.
Honestly. I can smoke 2 pounds of marijuana and not die.
I can't drink 2 gallons of water in one day and survive.

[EKG]

^ what about drinking coffee? That sort of alters the mind, in a less drastic way...  Then what about prescription drugs that people need, those can be mind-altering as well.   Where do you draw the line between "drugs" and "medicine?"

Just food for thought...

I honestly don't have an answer lol. Like I said I am no expert on the subject by any means, but I was just posting something I ran into.

[Chris337]

Yeah sorry about referring to weed as "using", I usually just refer to it as "smoking". The posts in this thread show why this subject is so debatable, especially concerning the bible. I don't view weed as a physically addictive drug, because it's obviously not. If I don't smoke for a while I don't notice any difference in my body. However I do see it as a "mental" addiction if you will...more just in my head. Not so much that I NEED to smoke but that I really want to. I find myself thinking about it quite a bit, I get anxious if I'm supposed to be picking up weed and I can't get any, etc.

[Resolution]

Ha man, I went from moving Kilos to consuming...

I've seen a mean deduction from my wallet lol...

But in regaurds, I really don't know...

Washington smoked weed.

[Water Walkin Warrior]

I'm not sure what it says in the bible about marijuana.  I'll have to look into it.  I was a major stoner when I was younger.  I've been sober and clean for about 11 years now.  For me it started out a social thing.  Praise God I didn't start in high school.  But it affected my college education.  I stopped short at an associates when I could have gotten a bachelors if I had been more focused.  I got to a point where it became my life.  I believed in God, but had not surrendered to Christ yet.  In actuality weed was my god.  Every moment of the day I was high.  I would wake up and take some pulls off a bowl, go to work, take a pull on lunch, go back to work, get off and smoke part of a blunt, go to a second job, get off and finish the blunt with my friends, roll another and smoke it, go home, crash, wake up and take some pulls off a bowl...(this was the cycle).  I smoked when I played ball, when I went to work, even at my moms wedding (she found out about it). 

Eventually, I felt like a zombie with no self confidence or social skills.  Thinking that everyone was getting high except for that guy who I think knows that I'm zooted out of my mind.  It affected everything in my life.  I've been close to death because of it.  One day I realized that I didn't like feeling like a zombie.  I started slowing down and eventually met my wife.  She got me going to church and I started to see the true me through Christ's eyes.  I stopped smoking.  My friends didn't call as much, I had to give up a lot of things I was used to.  But today, I'm focused on the King of kings and the Lord of lords.  I've never felt a better feeling than being filled with the Holy Ghost.  No drug will ever compare.  I serve the true God of the universe now, not the god called weed.

Just my testimony.  Thanks for reading.  I'm gonna look into some biblical principles.  I know our body is a temple where the Spirit lives.  I wouldn't want to do anything to it to harm it. 

[Resolution]

I started smoking social also; Problem being I hang out with to many people.
Weed does kind of cause procrastination if you let it; but on the positive side it does help me chill out when I'm about to explode...
Sometimes I feel like a ticking time bomb..And when I go off, I have tendancy to offend everyone in the room....

[saintgato116]

I myself am not an expert on this topic, but I did find this while going through the commentary in my study bible. I think it was in Galatians where I read this, but I can't remember the exact verse, so bear with me. It was talking about those who commit sexual immorality, witchcraft, etc etc, would not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Turns out, the greek word used for witchcraft here in its original context also referred to the use of any mind-altering drug. Once again, I am no expert on this subject, and no God won't condemn you for the use of weed if you are truly saved (no sin will condemn you in you are truly saved...realize however I am not condoning sin, but merely pointing this fact out), but is it still a sin and wrong in God's sight? Yes, I feel this verse answered it clearly. Again, I'm sorry I can't remember the exact verse, I'll try to look it up.

Yeah the greek word is "pharmakea" it is used to speak of withcraft. the thing about witch craft, is that you have to alter you mind to do it. you have to bring your sober mind into an altered mind state. they do drugs, drink, and yes smoke weed. but i think they prefer harder drugs that alter their minds more. then they do their encantations. you will find the same thing in ancient and modern pagan religions. they do things to alter their mind state in order to commune with a god, what ever or who ever that god might be. the simple fact is, the True and living God is not pleaded with adopting pegan practices into christianity. we are supposed to be holy, that is being seperated from the rest of the world. if we have fellowhship with the world, then the love of the father is not in us. we are supposed to represent Christ well. so I dont want to be know as "the christian stoner" and bring shame to the Holy Name of Christ. when the world looks at us, they are supposed to see Christ. so lets not look like a bunch of nutty hippies.


Galatians 5:19-21 (New American Standard Bible)

 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,

 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,

 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

[Water Walkin Warrior]

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 says - ¹⁹Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, ²⁰ for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

I know for a fact that I wasn't glorifying God when I was stoned out of my mind.  My inhibitions and standards were very low as well.  I would partake in sexual immorality easier, definitely wasn't sober, would cuss, did 'shrooms, tried cocaine once...if any of this glorified God, you and I read different Bibles.  I believe that it was all part of the process He had me go through in His sovereign rule.  I don't think I'd do it again.  The good that did come out of it is that I don't look down on people in the same place I once was.  I pray for them and try to encourage them that there is a better life in Christ.

Not to sound like Nancy Reagan, but..."Just say no to drugs."  Good scriptures Gato.

[saintgato116]

Yeah sorry about referring to weed as "using", I usually just refer to it as "smoking". The posts in this thread show why this subject is so debatable, especially concerning the bible. I don't view weed as a physically addictive drug, because it's obviously not. If I don't smoke for a while I don't notice any difference in my body. However I do see it as a "mental" addiction if you will...more just in my head. Not so much that I NEED to smoke but that I really want to. I find myself thinking about it quite a bit, I get anxious if I'm supposed to be picking up weed and I can't get any, etc.

I smoke weed from when i was 14-24.  and yeah, its true that its a mental addiction, not a physical one. I was EXACTLY like you. but my whole life was weed. morning noon and night. I was alot like "water walking warrior". and when I couldnt get none, like if someone wouldnt call me back, or it was a drought season, I got mad. I got headaches from not smoking with in a couple of days. and I never went more than one week without getting high. yeah I really really really wanted to get high all the time. it got to the point to where my brother was sellin it. me and him would run ounces from Salt Lake City to Provo City. my cousins sold pounds so, me and my bro could basicly smoke for free alot. then I got into shroom, then LSD, and I even tried crystal meth on time. the point is. if you give satan a foot hold, they he will work his way in your life. I had alot of wierd experiences (spiritualy) when it came to weed.

Not so much that I NEED to smoke but that I really want to. I find myself thinking about it quite a bit, I get anxious if I'm supposed to be picking up weed and I can't get any, etc.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. -Exodus 20:3

this is called Idolitry. God wants our minds to be consumed with Him. weed has become a god to you, whether you admit that or not. that was my problum too. I though I could never quit. it consumed my mind at all times. I was like "John Stuart" on "Half Baked." I though being high made everything better.
   but the simple fact is God sees weed as an idol, and if you belong to Him, then I promise you, HE WILLL SMASH THAT IDOL. if you do not get rid of all your idols and pharmakea, they you show evedence that he doesnt know you. then all these scriptures will be fulfilled in you.

1 Cor 6
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.


 Gal 5
20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Rev 21
 8But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."


Matt 7
22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

[saintgato116]

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 says - ¹⁹Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, ²⁰ for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

I know for a fact that I wasn't glorifying God when I was stoned out of my mind.  My inhibitions and standards were very low as well.  I would partake in sexual immorality easier, definitely wasn't sober, would cuss, did 'shrooms, tried cocaine once...if any of this glorified God, you and I read different Bibles.  I believe that it was all part of the process He had me go through in His sovereign rule.  I don't think I'd do it again.  The good that did come out of it is that I don't look down on people in the same place I once was.  I pray for them and try to encourage them that there is a better life in Christ.

Not to sound like Nancy Reagan, but..."Just say no to drugs."  Good scriptures Gato.

AMEN AMEN AMEN "WWW". we were kind of the same lol. but big Amen to everything your saying.